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		<title>By: Haluk Demirbag</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haluk Demirbag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 23:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Turkish logic prevails...

Hollanda Gizli Servisi (AIVD): PKK’yı finanse ediyoruz
http://www.turkishforum.com.tr/tr/content/2011/01/23/hollanda-gizli-servisi-aivd-pkkyi-finanse-ediyoruz/

Turkish wisdom will seal it all. Watch this space!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Turkish logic prevails&#8230;</p>
<p>Hollanda Gizli Servisi (AIVD): PKK’yı finanse ediyoruz<br />
<a href="http://www.turkishforum.com.tr/tr/content/2011/01/23/hollanda-gizli-servisi-aivd-pkkyi-finanse-ediyoruz/" rel="nofollow">http://www.turkishforum.com.tr/tr/content/2011/01/23/hollanda-gizli-servisi-aivd-pkkyi-finanse-ediyoruz/</a></p>
<p>Turkish wisdom will seal it all. Watch this space!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: hally</title>
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		<dc:creator>hally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Fahrettin Pasha writes is correct.

JDA, if you had any brain cells operating, you&#039;d know from reading about Sibel Edmonds that the U.S. was wheeling and dealing with Erdogan&#039;s government to get it to bend over backwards to promote and effectuat Bush&#039;s ridiculously demented &quot;Greater Middle East Initiative&quot;.  Everyone arrested in this fictitious Ergenokon sweep are those who opposed Bush&#039;s Middle East initiative directly or indirectly.  

All U.S. citizens who value the the principles embodied in the U.S. Constitution soundly object to the colonialist goals of that ludicrously arrogant Middle East initiative, which effectively would forcibly inject into various countries of the Middle East regimes that were none other than U.S. puppets.  That is old style British colonialism or imperialism defined.  

Yeah, and you call yourself an American, but you&#039;re nothing more than left-over cold war relic vassal of the USSR--which, by the way, if you read the news, say anytime during the past 10 years or so, you would know no longer exists.

Rather than worrying about some fictitious genocide claims, you should be worried about the brain-o-cide the Dashnaks have perpetrated against you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Fahrettin Pasha writes is correct.</p>
<p>JDA, if you had any brain cells operating, you&#8217;d know from reading about Sibel Edmonds that the U.S. was wheeling and dealing with Erdogan&#8217;s government to get it to bend over backwards to promote and effectuat Bush&#8217;s ridiculously demented &#8220;Greater Middle East Initiative&#8221;.  Everyone arrested in this fictitious Ergenokon sweep are those who opposed Bush&#8217;s Middle East initiative directly or indirectly.  </p>
<p>All U.S. citizens who value the the principles embodied in the U.S. Constitution soundly object to the colonialist goals of that ludicrously arrogant Middle East initiative, which effectively would forcibly inject into various countries of the Middle East regimes that were none other than U.S. puppets.  That is old style British colonialism or imperialism defined.  </p>
<p>Yeah, and you call yourself an American, but you&#8217;re nothing more than left-over cold war relic vassal of the USSR&#8211;which, by the way, if you read the news, say anytime during the past 10 years or so, you would know no longer exists.</p>
<p>Rather than worrying about some fictitious genocide claims, you should be worried about the brain-o-cide the Dashnaks have perpetrated against you.</p>
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		<title>By: Fahrettin Altay Pasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fahrettin Altay Pasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orhan Pamuk Cengiz has no say on behalf of the Turkish Public. He is nothing but a low life pen for sale, currently owned by the “Alliance of Protestant Churches”, similar to Ahmet Turk of the DTP party in Turkey. These guys get no where in Turkey so decide to make waves anyway possible. His comments on the Ergenekon case are biass, as this is what he wants in his little mind.
The Ergenekon case is nothing but a plan baught onto our puppet prime minister RTE, by no other than George Bush. If you remember, when the US invaded Iraq, the Bush administration published 52 playing cards numbered in most wanted... the Ergenekon case is not disimilar... All those who are held captive by the current RTE regime are seen as threats against the regime and the NWO. There is no Ergenekon group and the only thing the captives are guilty of is loving their country... In countries like the US, Greece, France this is considered nationalistic, however with all the pressure asserted to Puppet RTE, in Turkey, this is considered facism! 
You can see the two faced double standards across the US and Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orhan Pamuk Cengiz has no say on behalf of the Turkish Public. He is nothing but a low life pen for sale, currently owned by the “Alliance of Protestant Churches”, similar to Ahmet Turk of the DTP party in Turkey. These guys get no where in Turkey so decide to make waves anyway possible. His comments on the Ergenekon case are biass, as this is what he wants in his little mind.<br />
The Ergenekon case is nothing but a plan baught onto our puppet prime minister RTE, by no other than George Bush. If you remember, when the US invaded Iraq, the Bush administration published 52 playing cards numbered in most wanted&#8230; the Ergenekon case is not disimilar&#8230; All those who are held captive by the current RTE regime are seen as threats against the regime and the NWO. There is no Ergenekon group and the only thing the captives are guilty of is loving their country&#8230; In countries like the US, Greece, France this is considered nationalistic, however with all the pressure asserted to Puppet RTE, in Turkey, this is considered facism!<br />
You can see the two faced double standards across the US and Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: hally</title>
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		<dc:creator>hally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silly ignorant Armaniac JDA, your post belies your ignorance.  ASALA and the PKK are the &quot;brainchild&quot; of Karen Brutents--both a relic of the Cold War between NATO and Communist Russia designed to destabilize Turkey and turn it away from the sphere of US influence.  You and your people are nothing but a tool of old Russia, willing puppets of a regime that has used, abused and betrayed your people repeatedly.  Too bad you&#039;re not capable of learning from your mistakes or history or developing friendly relations with your neighbors.  If you could, then your people might have a true shot at independence.  Poor pitiful you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silly ignorant Armaniac JDA, your post belies your ignorance.  ASALA and the PKK are the &#8220;brainchild&#8221; of Karen Brutents&#8211;both a relic of the Cold War between NATO and Communist Russia designed to destabilize Turkey and turn it away from the sphere of US influence.  You and your people are nothing but a tool of old Russia, willing puppets of a regime that has used, abused and betrayed your people repeatedly.  Too bad you&#8217;re not capable of learning from your mistakes or history or developing friendly relations with your neighbors.  If you could, then your people might have a true shot at independence.  Poor pitiful you.</p>
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		<title>By: jda</title>
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		<dc:creator>jda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haluk,

Logicl thinking can never hurt you, really.

Shall we exploreyour failure to think logically once more?

1.  A Kurdish human rights program is not the same thing as Bremer&#039;s Kurdish terrorists just because they are all in Holland, allegedly. IF they were, then everyone in Anatolia is a grey dog because a few or many are.

2. What does asala have to do with pkk, in Holland or elsewhere? There is evidence of Sinn Fein training in the Bekaa Valley in 1982 along with Turkmen nationalsts and Uighur separatists, along with ASALA. Does that mean they are all the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haluk,</p>
<p>Logicl thinking can never hurt you, really.</p>
<p>Shall we exploreyour failure to think logically once more?</p>
<p>1.  A Kurdish human rights program is not the same thing as Bremer&#8217;s Kurdish terrorists just because they are all in Holland, allegedly. IF they were, then everyone in Anatolia is a grey dog because a few or many are.</p>
<p>2. What does asala have to do with pkk, in Holland or elsewhere? There is evidence of Sinn Fein training in the Bekaa Valley in 1982 along with Turkmen nationalsts and Uighur separatists, along with ASALA. Does that mean they are all the same?</p>
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		<title>By: haluk</title>
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		<dc:creator>haluk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 03:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Yeah yeah...

&quot;Holland has been talking about the struggle against international terrorism, &lt;span style=&quot;background: yellow 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; 
-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;&quot;&gt;but opening its doors for terrorist organizations like the PKK-KADEK.&lt;/span&gt; The terrorist PKK-KADEK has killed innocent people for its political objectives. Regarding these murders as ones committed for free Kurdistan does not change the fact that these innocent people have been the victims of terror. &lt;span style=&quot;background: yellow 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; 
-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;&quot;&gt;Holland has been the weakest ring in the European Union&#039;s struggle against terrorism&lt;/span&gt;,&quot;
--Paul Bremer, American counter-terrorism expert in a press conference held in Hague

Let&#039;s decipher the mindset of the petty character above for the benefit of our readers, shall we?

&quot;As an Armenian, I never condone terrorism, but there must be a reason behind this. Maybe terrorism will work. It worked for the Jews. They have Israel.&quot;
--Kevork Donabedian, the editor of the Armenian Weekly, an ethnic newspaper published in the United  States, reported in an article in The Christian Science Monitor, November 18, 1980

Down with PKK and ASALA terrorism, always and forever! ☾✫&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Yeah yeah&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Holland has been talking about the struggle against international terrorism, <span style="background: yellow 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial;<br />
-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">but opening its doors for terrorist organizations like the PKK-KADEK.</span> The terrorist PKK-KADEK has killed innocent people for its political objectives. Regarding these murders as ones committed for free Kurdistan does not change the fact that these innocent people have been the victims of terror. <span style="background: yellow 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial;<br />
-moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;">Holland has been the weakest ring in the European Union&#8217;s struggle against terrorism</span>,&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Paul Bremer, American counter-terrorism expert in a press conference held in Hague</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s decipher the mindset of the petty character above for the benefit of our readers, shall we?</p>
<p>&#8220;As an Armenian, I never condone terrorism, but there must be a reason behind this. Maybe terrorism will work. It worked for the Jews. They have Israel.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Kevork Donabedian, the editor of the Armenian Weekly, an ethnic newspaper published in the United  States, reported in an article in The Christian Science Monitor, November 18, 1980</p>
<p>Down with PKK and ASALA terrorism, always and forever! ☾✫</strong></p>
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		<title>By: jda</title>
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		<dc:creator>jda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haluk,

There is a famous paranoia in the American political tradition by which Communists lurk and ply their plots everywhere, Obama is a Kenyan space alien, and flouride in our water is intended to turn us oyster soft. Most of us who are not hiding in the woods cleaning our rifles laugh at them, at least for now.

With your post, I see that there is also a turkish nationalist type. Like our variety, the Turkish variety avidly makes up facts not in evidence and takes offense at everything. Looking at your writing, you jump from one fact [Cengiz worked for a Kurdish Human Rights Project] to assume that he takes direct orders from the funders of the project for which he worked. As to the funders themselves, we&#039;re not talking about Al Qaeda here, we&#039;re talking instead about religious groups from open societies. I doubt that the German Bishops have been very unfair to anyone since maybe 1945.

But then you jump over onto and land on the third rail of fantasy by claiming that he may work for the Dutch Secret sevice.

Aren&#039;t you really trying just to brand the writer as a trator, perhaps in the hope he gets the Hrant Dink treatment? My supposition is on far firmer footing than your speculation about his beinng a spy, isn&#039;t it?

I have to go now.  My Zionist-Armenian-Greek-Serbian-Kurdish overlords have commanded me to light the path for the arrival of their star cruisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haluk,</p>
<p>There is a famous paranoia in the American political tradition by which Communists lurk and ply their plots everywhere, Obama is a Kenyan space alien, and flouride in our water is intended to turn us oyster soft. Most of us who are not hiding in the woods cleaning our rifles laugh at them, at least for now.</p>
<p>With your post, I see that there is also a turkish nationalist type. Like our variety, the Turkish variety avidly makes up facts not in evidence and takes offense at everything. Looking at your writing, you jump from one fact [Cengiz worked for a Kurdish Human Rights Project] to assume that he takes direct orders from the funders of the project for which he worked. As to the funders themselves, we&#8217;re not talking about Al Qaeda here, we&#8217;re talking instead about religious groups from open societies. I doubt that the German Bishops have been very unfair to anyone since maybe 1945.</p>
<p>But then you jump over onto and land on the third rail of fantasy by claiming that he may work for the Dutch Secret sevice.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t you really trying just to brand the writer as a trator, perhaps in the hope he gets the Hrant Dink treatment? My supposition is on far firmer footing than your speculation about his beinng a spy, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I have to go now.  My Zionist-Armenian-Greek-Serbian-Kurdish overlords have commanded me to light the path for the arrival of their star cruisers.</p>
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		<title>By: haluk</title>
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		<dc:creator>haluk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 02:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mr Cengiz reveals proudly that he worked for the Kurdish Human Rights Project in London. I have visited the website to see who they are: 

&lt;em&gt;Under &quot;About KHRP » Who We Are » Funders&lt;/em&gt;

It states:

&quot;Our funders in 2009 include:

[...]
Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Netherlands)
[...]
Bishop&#039;s Subcommission for Misereor (Germany)
[...]
&quot;
This guy&#039;s cause is and has been funded by pretty disturbing sources:

1. The Alliance of Protestant Churches in Izmir
2. Bishop&#039;s Subcommission for Misereor (Germany)
3. The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Netherlands/Holland)

Now then, his current and past business relationship with various Churches is crystal clear. But one can take the liberty and ask: 

&lt;em&gt;What is Mr Cengiz&#039;s relationship with the Dutch Secret Service?&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Last year a group of CHURCH CONGREGATIONS in GERMANY gave 3.6m pounds to Marxist guerrillas &lt;em&gt;[read PKK terrorists officially in UK]&lt;/em&gt; fighting in Turkey.&quot;
--Hugh Pope, THE INDEPENDENT, 26 September 1992&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mr Cengiz reveals proudly that he worked for the Kurdish Human Rights Project in London. I have visited the website to see who they are: </p>
<p><em>Under &#8220;About KHRP » Who We Are » Funders</em></p>
<p>It states:</p>
<p>&#8220;Our funders in 2009 include:</p>
<p>[...]<br />
Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Netherlands)<br />
[...]<br />
Bishop&#8217;s Subcommission for Misereor (Germany)<br />
[...]<br />
&#8221;<br />
This guy&#8217;s cause is and has been funded by pretty disturbing sources:</p>
<p>1. The Alliance of Protestant Churches in Izmir<br />
2. Bishop&#8217;s Subcommission for Misereor (Germany)<br />
3. The Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Netherlands/Holland)</p>
<p>Now then, his current and past business relationship with various Churches is crystal clear. But one can take the liberty and ask: </p>
<p><em>What is Mr Cengiz&#8217;s relationship with the Dutch Secret Service?</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Last year a group of CHURCH CONGREGATIONS in GERMANY gave 3.6m pounds to Marxist guerrillas <em>[read PKK terrorists officially in UK]</em> fighting in Turkey.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Hugh Pope, THE INDEPENDENT, 26 September 1992</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JDA= The RAT,

Re-read all of your own posts, then read history! That should answer your questions even to your denialist satisfaction! 

Because I won&#039;t communicate with an unpatriotic supporter of terrorism such as yourself, I&#039;m requesting the FBI to have you checked out (you&#039;d be amazed at the &quot;cyber-toys&quot; they have to track down individuals from any site, at any time!). 

One last thing RAT, please notice the cordiallity that you, as a dashnak Armo lover and mindless supporter of, receive on this and any Turkish site, as compared to your brethren&#039;s sites (on a Turkish site, your lying and vile propagandist posts always remain intact...we have nothing to hide or to fear, especially from dashnak Armos! On any dashnak Armo site, if a Turk writes a post, not only is his post erased, but there is the usual inundation of vulgar dashank posts against the Turkish writer. This is the reaction of a defeated, jealous, evnvious, hate-filled, low-life group of ex and new terrorists, murders, con job artists, theives, criminals, liars, cheats, known as the dashnaks...and these are just their &quot;good points&quot;! This ought to sound familiar to you laddy, after all, they are you and your kind!).

L8er cockroachian!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JDA= The RAT,</p>
<p>Re-read all of your own posts, then read history! That should answer your questions even to your denialist satisfaction! </p>
<p>Because I won&#8217;t communicate with an unpatriotic supporter of terrorism such as yourself, I&#8217;m requesting the FBI to have you checked out (you&#8217;d be amazed at the &#8220;cyber-toys&#8221; they have to track down individuals from any site, at any time!). </p>
<p>One last thing RAT, please notice the cordiallity that you, as a dashnak Armo lover and mindless supporter of, receive on this and any Turkish site, as compared to your brethren&#8217;s sites (on a Turkish site, your lying and vile propagandist posts always remain intact&#8230;we have nothing to hide or to fear, especially from dashnak Armos! On any dashnak Armo site, if a Turk writes a post, not only is his post erased, but there is the usual inundation of vulgar dashank posts against the Turkish writer. This is the reaction of a defeated, jealous, evnvious, hate-filled, low-life group of ex and new terrorists, murders, con job artists, theives, criminals, liars, cheats, known as the dashnaks&#8230;and these are just their &#8220;good points&#8221;! This ought to sound familiar to you laddy, after all, they are you and your kind!).</p>
<p>L8er cockroachian!!</p>
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		<title>By: jda</title>
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		<dc:creator>jda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please explain with facts. &quot;Nuff&quot; is lacking,nanobob.</description>
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